Jehovah's Witnesses are right about 607 BCE.

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Published 2018-03-04
Jehovah's Witnesses are right about 607 BCE.

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  • @cthorpe1978
    A group of bethel janitors and waiters know more than all the historians and scientists. Sounds legit.
  • @JimCampbell777
    The "Internet" doesn't say anything...why would you use nomenclature like this? Simply quote your source...and I don't mean 'wihipedia. Wikipedia has its sources located at the bottom of the articles...so quote those.
  • @andrewatson3992
    Well done! For me it's the story of Nebuchadnezzar in Dan ch 4, where in the end he praises the MOST HIGH GOD Jehovah/Yahweh, after he is restored to his reasonable mind and kingship. Obviously, the 7 times had passed OVER him was completed. Q: Was King Neb present in 1914 CE? A: If he was, he would have to have been 2,520 years older than he was when the interpretation of the prophecy was given to him. I have never seen a 2,520+ year old person. Have you? Therefore, since King Nebu was not present in 1914 CE, so all claims of that year and the claims of the year 1919 CE, never happened. Except that the 7 times pass OVER King Nebu, could he then praise Jah/Yah, the MHG. The prophecy was completed as originally stated. To add a secondary fulfillment to the prophecy is clearly going beyond what the scriptures say. No repeats in the prophecies of Noah, Jonah, Jeremiah, Zedekiah, or Daniel. Now, since all claims for 1914 CE,1919 CE, and 2,520 year misinterpretation are debunked, let's move on to 537 BCE. All parties agree here. The Romans destroyed the second temple in 70 AD, after dethroning the Persians. The Persians, under Cyrus, dethroned the Babylonians in 539 BCE. This confirms that Jah/Yah word is true, because he said he would bring Babylon into account the 70 year prophecy of Jeremiah. Adding 70 years back to 539, we get 609, not 607. Therefore, 537 fails. That leaves 607 BCE. If Nebuchadnezzar regnal year is 625, or 628, BCE, then you have to back up all the kingships of Babylon, Israel, Judah, Assyria, Egypt and Persia to confirm the history previously given. Or, we could turn to the meticulous documentation of Babylonians' cunieform tablets. Cunie meaning wedge and form meaning shape, by use of etymology, gives us the word cunieform. Each cunieform leaves absolutely no room to adjust forward, or backwards, in dating the everyday affairs of life in Babylon. From the lining up of constellations, which would take 1000s of years to repeat and business affairs, such as contracts, all are listed by the year the reigning king. Two methods are used to determine the accession years or non-accession years, depending on how the kingship was transitioned. All records bear that Nebuchadnezzar began to reign in 605 BCE and attacked Judah in his 18th year. Subtracting 18 from 605, leaves us with 587 BCE. Therefore, just as 537 BCE, 1914 CE, 1919 CE, and the misapplication of day-to-year principle to get 2,520 years all failed. The year 607 BCE fails as well. See VAT 4596 and btw, VAT is not an abbreviation for Vatican. The story of Nebuchadnezzar thus cleanly and clearly, demonstrates that 587 BCE is the best date to determine when Jersulam fell. How do we know for sure? The MHG, Jah/Yah sent a watcher to tell Daniel to tell us. In short, the bible says so.
  • @Anzaldi1976
    What I have come across in reading Jeremiah is that everything is explained in Jeremiah 25:11,12. It tells us when 70 years are complete Babylon is punished. Every scholarly writing I’ve come across including coral Olaf Johnson’s book I believe shows that the The Babylonians were overtaken by the meads and Persians in 539. Jeremiah 25:11 tells us that servitude and desolation is the punishment not only for Judah and Jerusalem but for all the nations if they do not come under the yoke of Babylon. If they do they will remain in their land. You can find this evidence from Jeremiah chapter 25 all the way to chapter 29. The seventy year prophecy ends in 539, add 70 years and the prophecy starts in 609. Also pertinent to this discussion would be Jeremiah 29:10. God turns his attention to Babylon and to his people when the 70 years are completed. If you look in the 2011 watchtower there is an Article called when was ancient Jerusalem destroyed. They don’t even mention Jeremiah 25:12 and it’s a two-part article covering two month span. If that is not enough you have the Kings list, which watch towers own insight book, if you count backwards from 539 ends in 605 the first year of Nebuchadnezzar’s rule. Either way 607 is not the date for Jerusalem’s destruction. Anyway this is how I see it based on this evidence I presented. If there are any holes in this evidence I would love to see it! Thanks for the video
  • @MuscleMaxZ1
    +Jamie Bigham Have you read "Gentile Times Reconsidered?" I don't think you have answered that question. If you have not read it why not?
  • @rigatonijacobs
    Zechariah 1:1 In the eighth month in the second year of Da·riʹus, the word of Jehovah came to the prophet Zech·a·riʹah... This corresponds with 519 b.c.e. this also seems to signal the end of the 70 years. This also corresponds with secular historical data of 587 being the start of the prophecy.
  • @MrDJCue
    Jamie, your camera quality is amazing. Mind sharing the equipment you use and also the software you use to render your videos?
  • @LloydEvans
    There doesn't need to be a 70-year exile. As Carl Olof Jonsson explains in his book The Gentile Times Reconsidered, the 70 year period mentioned in the Bible refers to the subjugation of the nations by the Babylonians, not the Jewish exile. I explain it in my video here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl7q8J6cpVQ The date 586/587 is not derived as a result of some conspiracy. The Neo-Babylonian era was one of the most well-documented eras in ancient history thanks to the widespread use of cuneiform documents, which provide an unbroken timeline for the kings of the period. We can therefore reliably date the years of Nebuchadnezzar's reign, and hence the destruction of Jerusalem. Incidentally, I am curious to know whether you are still a Jehovah's Witness, or perhaps a disfellowshipped JW who still believes the religion?
  • @JerryJones1914
    Others say the first deportation followed the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadrezzar in 586; if so, the Jews were held in Babylonian captivity for 48 years. Among those who accept a tradition (Jeremiah 29:10) that the exile lasted 70 years, some choose the dates 608 to 538, others 586 to about 516 (the year when the rebuilt Temple was dedicated in Jerusalem.... Your 70 years it’s between first temple and the second temple.
  • @tedlumley4470
    Hey Jamie. Good video. It must've taken a lot of courage to take on this topic in a pro 607 approach. I was put in touch with your channel by David and Vivian Aspinall. I only live a few minutes from them in Brampton. I visit them most Sundays.
  • @ChrisPyle
    I love how no one realizes how easy it is to use the Bible to prove these dates. We have the history of the Jewish kings, and the kings in Babylon. We have names and dates mentioned in the Bible that all make sense. Secular understanding matches the Bible perfectly. The date of 607 is two years before Nebuchadnezzar became king. Saying he had been king for 18 or 19 years is just laughable. Here’s a little fun bible fact. The first king of Israel to be imprisoned by him was King Jehoiakim during his 7th year. He spent 37 years in jail until released in 560 by the Babylonian king Marduk. See Jeremiah 52. He was only on the throne 2 years until he died in 560. After he (Jehoiakim) was imprisoned, we know that king zedekia ruled for 11 years before Nebuchadnezzar came back and destroyed the temple in his 18th year, or 11 years after the first time. We also know he was 21 when he became king, so do we know when he was born? Yes! 618! That means. 605 was the start of Nebuchadnezzar’s rule, 587 for the temple and the punishment started in 609, not the destruction of the temple in 587. The decree that freed the Jews was in 539. So 607 is only 68 years anyway. So it’s not from temple to temple, but from god letting them lose in battle in 609, to them being freed in 539. Easy!
  • @D800Lover
    Jamie, please understand that regal changeover years are counted twice, the last year of one king becomes the first year of the following king. This is common throughout Biblical chronology and tricks some less experienced up. There are no missing years if you take that into account.
  • It really doesn't matter. None of us have the hermeneutical leeway to derive a "greater fulfillment" from Nebuchadnezzar's dream of a tree. The text simply doesn't permit us to go beyond the predictions Daniel was inspired to give to the king at that time about his (Nebuchadnezzar) reign. Christ & his apostles admonished us to avoid teachings of his second coming (parousia) prior to the Great Tribulation (Matt ch24 v1-31) as well as teachings that the resurrection/rapture had already occurred - which is set to take place after his second coming. (2 Timothy ch2 v17-18). We don't need numerology. The Bible was written for farmers and fishermen. It's simple.
  • @D800Lover
    Four Bible writers cannot be wrong, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezra and Zechariah. Indeed Ezra wrote his account after 537 BC and he KNEW the correct time period and he records these words, which makes it certain the Jerusalem was DEVASTATED during that 70 years: "He [Nebuchadnezzar] burned down the house of the true God, tore down the wall of Jerusalem, burned all its fortified towers with fire, and destroyed everything of value. He carried off captive to Babylon those who escaped the sword, and they became servants to him and his sons until the kingdom of Persia began to reign, to fulfill Jehovah’s word spoken by Jeremiah, until the land had paid of its sabbaths. All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfill 70 years." Please note the critical phrase: "until the land had paid of its sabbaths." Something was owed to God! It had to be paid. Every seventh year was a Sabbath year and that year was not to be harvested and the land would recuperate, it would lie fallow. They had to trust God, have faith that God would provide a bumper harvest the year before the seventh year. Since the end of the reign of Solomon, it seems that the Israelites had not kept the Sabbath year and hence God viewed that this was "owed" to him. We have a period of around 500 years and that meant that, divide that by seven, we end up with around 70 Sabbath years were owed to God. So 490 divide by 7 = 70 years owed. That meant the land needed to be DEVASTATED and no harvest for 70 years. Hence: "All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfill 70 years." THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THE LAND OF ISRAEL WAS DESOLATE AND DEVASTATED FOR A FULL 70 YEARS! Actually, this has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses, they simply are pointing at the fact EXACTLY as it says.
  • @travelsociety
    Wow this video is a life saver, atleast i learn something about the Final destruction of Jerusalem:) i need to review this video more and more until i finally comprehend all the information because im autistic and have difficulties in learning. God bless you Man❤❤
  • @rataroto3065
    There is no good reason to reject credibly established dates in favour of one particular interpretation of the Bible. Especially when there are other interpretations that do not conflict with secular chronology.
  • Jamie Bigham,the WT didn't show you this information. Did the fall of Jerusalem happened in 607 BCE or 587/6.If we were to follow the below statements which was made by the WT 1955,2/1 pg.95 Questions from readers to start from the date of the fall of Babylon in 539 BCE by checking back of all the reigns of the Babylonian kings.So we have to check back from the last king of Babylon who was Nabonidus to Nebuchadnezzar. It is well to understand that all Bible chronology dates for events prior to 539 B.C. must be figured backward from the Absolute date of 539 B.C. WT 1955,2/1 pg.95 Nabopolassar reign 21 years from 626 BCE to 605 BCE Nebuchadnezzar reign 43 years from 605 BCE to 562 BCE Evil Merodach reign 2 years from 562 BCE to 560 BCE Neriglissar reign 4 years from 560 BCE to 556 BCE Labashi Murduk reign 9 months in 556 BCE Nabonidus reign 17 years from 556 BCE to 539 BCE In Jeremiah 52:12-14,2kings 25:8-10 Jerusalem fall in the 19 year of Nebuchadnezzar reign as king of Babylon. 539 + 17 = 556 + 4 = 560 + 2 =562 + 43 = 605 BCE 605 - 18 = 587 BCE or 605 - 19 = 586 BCE My question here how is the WT get 607 BCE as the date of the fall of Jerusalem when I am seeing it is 587/6 BCE when we calculate back from the reign of last Babylonian king Nabonidus to king Nebuchadnezzar from 539 BCE .
  • @Stan_144
    70 years was not a time of the exile but the time of Babylonian rule in the region. Jeremiah 29:10 : "This is what the Lord says: “When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will come to you and fulfill my good promise to bring you back to this place."
  • @richnewport9549
    I think you might want to check these timelines up with the dead sea scrolls and the Septuagint. I know the pre flood genealogy timeline doesn't line up or agree with the masoretic text which is where modern bibles get their old testament from.
  • @JamieBigham
    I am in Toronto, Canada. When I was a witness I was attending the Northpark Kingdom Hall in Brampton in the 1990's. I was in the Balmoral and Torbram congregation. If you are posting comments please feel free to state your location. Maybe we can make some connections.