An Honest Look At The Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme (No Bull****)

Hello Kireth; It was nice to have you in Landshut and you are welcome to review our products just like several other reviewers which are not affiliate partners. Pricing is a bit mixed up and confusing. So lets talk about all pricing in GBP and incl. 20% VAT, OK? Fanatec GT DDX: 1106 GBP (converted from 1299,95 Euro) Logitech Pro: 999 GBP (on Amazon) Moza R16 + KS Wheel: 1237 GBP (Note that prices on website do not show the 20% VAT you have to pay on import). The correct product to compare would be the R21 as it has a more similar constant torque as the GT DDX Keep up the good work and your entertaining videos. Thomas

I’m confused as you call this “an honest review” yet you DON’T have the product. If we’re talking honestly let’s take “review” out of the video content…..

Thomas: "We didn't want to announce the DD+ after the DD because people who buy the DD and would have waited for DD+ will be angry. That's why we had pre-orders". Also Thomas: Releases GT DD Extreme out of the blue when people who want it already ordered the DD+

Your intro raises some important points, and explains exactly why we (and most other reviewers) have affiliate links for just about every brand and disclose them at the start of every video. That way people can choose to use our links if they want to support our work, or choose not to if they don’t. But it also means we aren’t incentivised to promote any particular brand as it ultimately makes little to no difference which product someone buys. Ultimately it boils down to this, if a reviewer is being dishonest or biased in their videos and what they say about a product doesn’t match the experience customers have, they will lose their credibility and get no views, which means nobody will use their links. Affiliate programs when used ethically and transparently are a great way for reviewers to make their work sustainable. Unfortunately there are some content creators who don’t disclose affiliate links or their relationships with manufacturers and this is not only a very big problem as you correctly highlight, but also against YouTube’s terms and conditions. Also… turning the strength down on a more powerful base limits its dynamic range output. It doesn’t “preserve the same level of detail”.

Kireth, your interview was world class, I have to tell you. You risked a lot in doing that, this could have also gone bad for you. You were respectful but also strict, not letting Thomas get away with this selling DD+ nonetheless nonsense. Very well done! 👍

$1300 and no pedals......wow

How can you give an honest opinion on a wheel that you dont even own yet?

Not sure why more people don't mention this, but when I bought my Logitech Wheel and Pedals I was able to get a 15% discount code. I paid $1,150 for the Logitech Pro Wheel and Pro Pedals. The only downside to Logitech honestly is the lack of aftermarket wheels, specially when their quick disconnect works so well. The Logitech Pro Wheel has been amazing, amazing feedback and feel. The quality of the wheel is outstanding everything about the wheel is great. The pedals are good, they're smooth, comfortable, and look nice. I do wish I could use the Pro wheel with V3 pedals though if I'm being honest.

Dude… that intro 😂 affiliate links are a way for those who see value in the efforts of the reviewer to reward that reviewer. And most reviewers have links for all the brands they compare to too, so I’m not sure how that makes them biased towards certain products. Anyways. It does feel like you’re discrediting every other reviewer to make yourself look good. I don’t have any issue with you. Keep doing what you’re doing. But this is not a competition between reviewers. All of my terms are available on my website and mentioned in my descriptions. Please don’t undermine all the free work I (and others) have done to try to make sim racing more accessible, more enjoyable, and ultimately to grow sim racing, just because I have some affiliate links for products that’s I have reviewed.

Logitech G pro owner here, 10 months in and have to say it’s been fantastic. The Truforce is similar in feel of additional detail sensation you get to Haptic feedback of the dual sense but you have a 0-100% adjustment range on the Gpro and at about 10% it’s equal to max vibration setting you can get out of the dual sense. I have my G pro bolted into my Playseat trophy rig and at 35% Trueforce I can feel vibrations through the whole rig that helps sell the immersion, I currently run my truforce at 55% and combined with the PSVR2 is the very best sim racing experience you can enjoy for under $5k. I’m glad Kireth pointed out that Fanatec ships DD Extreme with the QR2 lite…. I 100% believe it will suffer the same issues the DDPro does where that plastic QR starts to fail if you run it at max NM for more the a month

Well, given my (lack of) skill, think my T300 is serving me just fine for being a 200€ investment (April 2020 prices were so good on sim equipment!)

Why call out other reviewers and try to question their credibility, I think u just salty Fanatec never sent u one & no saying that fanatec load cells pedals are better than Logitech doesn't makes u neutral and unbiased, it just means you're not stupid and reporting the obvious well known truth cause to say logitech pedals are better would make u look biased or lead ppl to question your credibility

Btw DD force feedback is like being able to feel the curbs on the track. True force is like being able to feel the texture of the tires on those curbs.

Not sure what’s happened here. You did an excellent interview, one that may even keep the ceo from conducting others, yet also sealing your fate with fanatec. throwing shade and saying…” the sim racing industry isn’t sophisticated enough to have a proper reviewer ecosystem yet..” Is rude and tbh makes you look ignorant & somewhat bitter tbh.

Order now, you MIGHT get it by Christmas

Love my Logitech G Pro Wheel. The TrueForce feature and FFB are perfectly matched to the Playseat Trophy. The rig comes alive! Getting it with discounts helps but worth it!

Thank you for what you have done and I applaud you for raising the truth of the situation. The same is happening in other industries/hobby interests and with manufacturers/influencers. One flaw I found in this video. It does not make much sense to compare the Moza as a non PS5 wheel to others that are specifically for PS5 and GT7 players. Most PC orientated sim racers will not even consider the Logitech as they can get other DD wheels that at least have additional rims available. It's a joke that Logitech still almost 18 months since release of their wheelbase have not yet even announced another rim, never mind have options available. Just like its a sad situation that Fanatec want to sell PS5 players a £1300 wheelbase with a new highly touted feature, that also has no confirmed release date for when Full Force will be available. Logitech True Force has two major let downs. The first that the user cannot with the wheel itself alter the strength of individual effects to their liking. The title has to support this and how/what you can alter varies with each title. The other let down is support is not that great, FM8 as a major release, nothing.... Perhaps Full Force will improve on what Logitech have done but I just cannot get over, even with a couple of months in delays this product has already had and STILL their will not be Full Force support for ANY title on its release. Can you imagine buying a top end phone that advertises a new cool feature, that then gives no confirmation when that feature can be used or enjoyed. Consumers are just getting shafted, by the companies, by the lack of support, by not ready features, and by some influencers that are not being fully honest in their videos. The influencers that know each other so well, should have said no to Fanatec, until the product was ready for proper review and could be experienced as fully intended. You are 100% correct that "reviewers" are now becoming controlled and paid/finically rewarded promoters.

I dont care how good this wheel is, 3x the price of the hardware its used on even without pedals is insane, they should be making DD wheels for the masses not just for the elite......

Great, honest video. I have the Thrustmaster T-GT, and play GT7 on a PS5 only. Several years ago, I found an adapter that allowed me to use Fanatec V3 pedals, which I love. For the last year, I have thought about an upgrade to direct drive. It seemed the Logitech Pro was the best solution, but I needed to give up my V3 peddals, for the Logitech. That put my cost near $1300. The new Fanatec Extreme bundle at about $1300, could use my V3's, so the cost was about the same. The only determinating factors is the robust Fanatec Eco system (mainly the beautiful McLaren GT3 wheel), against the Logitech customer service reputation. I am convinced Logitech will eventually have other compatible wheels in the future, but I have no idea why they have waited over a year already. I would hope Fanatec's problems mostly stem from the pandemic and a sub-par order system. If Logitech finally comes out with a GT3 style wheel and an F1 wheel anything like the Thrustmaster SF1000, there would be no question what my decision would be. What are your thoughts? Thanks

I'm 100% satisfied with the Logitech Pro setup. Nothing about this makes me want to go and dump a bunch of $ to make a change. I've already heard a well known YT'er say that this is the best setup to date for GT7 which doesn't make any sense to me because it's not even fully operational on PS5 yet. Like you said, reviewer vs promoter. It is however, a bit of a bummer that we Logitech Pro users don't have any rim, shifter, handbrake options yet. I am trusting what LogiRich is saying all over social media, they they are working on ''things'' so I'm being patient.