Hags: Misogyny & The Middle-Aged Woman, with Victoria Smith, Sonia Sodha and Hadley Freeman

Published 2024-04-05
Why are middle-aged women these days subject to so much rage and hatred – frequently from people who see themselves as kind and ‘on the right side of history’? What explains the popularity of the Karen meme, which references a stereotypically privileged white woman whom everyone feels entitled to loathe? Why does this age-old misogyny feel so very now?

As writer Victoria Smith approached middle age she made her peace with her sagging neckline and having to cope with ageing parents. But the disdain and vitriol she experienced as a woman in mid-life came as a shock. In her acclaimed book 'Hags: The Demonisation of Middle-Aged Women' she traces the prejudice that has been directed towards older women down the ages and explores the prevalence of witch hunts in recent years.

Smith was joined in conversation by The Sunday Times’s Hadley Freeman and author and columnist and author Sonia Sodha. Together they explored why women who have the temerity to exist beyond the age at which they are conventionally deemed desirable to men are seen as superfluous to society; and they will look for solutions which can benefit all women – whether they are hags or hags-in-waiting.

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All Comments (20)
  • @daydins
    This is such an interesting discussion. There is always some truth in stereotypes that can be utilized to stigmatize and manipulate public discourse. It is a good practice to reflect and objectively consider what is going on.
  • For foreign speakers who watch this episode: Karen is a slang. According to Wikipedia, Karen means "a middle-class white American woman who is perceived as entitled or excessively demanding beyond the scope of what is considered to be normal behavior and decorum."
  • @Susan.D
    On point, but not thoughts that many care to hear and definitely want silenced. Very regressive times.
  • @MrSears_1.618
    A "Karen" makes demands, often extremely unreasonable. Everyone has the authority and responsibility to regulate their thoughts, emotions, speech and actions. Maturity is a skill that must be sought and practiced if it is to be wielded. Maturity is beautiful regardless of sex or age. This is Grace. I dare you to be Graceful.
  • @markraftis
    Oh boy a whine and cheese party. This is why men get a trophy wife.
  • @DCSIBC
    What about women over 60? We are completely ignored, side-lined, and talked down to by both men and younger women! It’s infuriating…
  • @brainboost5476
    I would argue yes now. Before I would have argued no. Perhaps it would be wise to say I still don't know... 🦙🦙🦙🦫
  • @arthur.prospero
    Leave it to English women to debate The Way of the World as if it's Up For Debate
  • amazing the lack of self awareneess amongst these misogynistic men in the comments.
  • @arobertpetersen
    Some young men do in fact fear becoming their fathers. And the notion that men will still garner all the benefits they did as young men is extremely myopic. To me, this discussion just underscores the difference between the sexes; women's emotional proclivities exacerbate and ossify their opinions as they age and (nowadays) give them license to be a victim. Most men can experience the same changes, but they don't talk about it - they just internalize all those emotions and die early. Frankly I don't understand this desire to be a victim - unless it's just white women feeling left out. Women have a power position throughout society now. Look at the film industry: there's always a strong female lead while the males are often written as submissive, secondary or outright incompetent. Women dominate in higher education and administrative roles. Bigotry, misogyny (& misandry) can be found in every sector of society. Seems to me projection is a big part of this discussion. Perhaps adding some middle aged men to the talk could add some depth and texture to your bashing.
  • @amandabloom8428
    A smart, financially independent woman who doesn't need a man's validation who can see through a man's crap. This is why.
  • I don't understand why women want HRT. Surely menopause is a natural process of aging.
  • @BlindTom61
    Why is the woman of the left constantly picking at her fingernails and then chewing on them? Weird...
  • Geeeeee what boring lives you 3 must have and no doubt your belief in anxiety, depression and we mustn’t forget the menopause……… it’s all called life! I loved Little Britain😄
  • Always the same from society towards women: damned if you do, damned if you don't. Men really seem to hate half the world.