She Represents Everything Wrong with the Jedi Order

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The Sith never learned to control their emotions, and the Jedi never learned to live with their emotions.

Say what you want about how George Lucas handled the prequel trilogy. However, his decision to show the absolute corruption and hypocrisy of both the Jedi and the republic gives the audiences a greater understanding of how these two institutions of power can fall and lead to the creation of the galactic empire.

It never sat well with me when Barris was trapped in the rubble and Luminara was basically like "Guess shes dead now, oh well". She didnt even try to rescue her

She also criticized Ventress for not being as skilled as Dooku in Form 2, and then proceeded to be completely curbstomped by Ventress when they dueled. One of the strongest Jedi my ass

I think it's funny how Kanan thought she'd a better teacher than him. She was the last teacher Ezra would want

An ex gf and I used to crack up making fun of Luminara and Baris in this episode. Baris seemed resigned to death and Luminara seemed as resigned to Baris' death as Baris was. So morbid and goth. We used to laugh our asses off, impersonating them in various, imagined, life-threatening situations.

Barrie once said “do you ever question if it’s actually right for us to shut down our emotions in times of war?” Well judging by everything that happened, looks like that was really not a good way of teaching.

I had an idea: I think the true start of Barriss's fall might have been the brain worm episode. Even though the worm was removed from her, consider the sheer terror and PTSD she must have felt from being mind-controlled by an eldritch bug alien. And what would Luminara say to Barriss after that? "You did your best," or something worthless like that. The absolute lack of empathy Luminara would have shown would have cemented how awful the Jedi were. And yes, combine this episode with the previous Super Tank episode when Luminara gave up on saving Barriss. Nearly died, got brainwashed, then nearly died again? Nah fam, you're just doing your job and the Force works in mysterious ways. Now move on and keep fighting battle droids.

Luminara’s behavior during the rescue of hers and Anakin’s apprentices really gets on my nerves. The entire time, she is essentially telling Anakin to give up, more or less saying that they are already dead. And if it wasn’t for Anakin’s determination, they would be. And yet after he does rescue them, Luminara claims that she never gave up on them despite the fact that that was literally what she was doing the entire time. If I didn’t know better, I’d say Luminara was trying to get the padawans killed.

I feel bad for Barris Offee for not having a master who cared for her the way that Anakin did for Ahsoka. I agree, the war broke Barris, what she said about how the Republic was failing and that it was only a matter of time was entirely true. Honestly I think that the war took a toll on Anakin too, by episode 3 he was tired and worn down by the war, his frustration and distrust of the council, the pressure of being the Chosen One, etc…It’s no wonder he finally snapped and went all dark side.

Also don't forget that Luminara Undulii is the Jedi who told young Trace and Rafa Martez to essentially just "suck it up" after a speeder crashed into their apartment and killed their parents during a chase with Ziro... Great values on this woman

Luminara was being illogical, a Padawin is a vital resource and shouldn't be discarded casually. She had put time and effort into training her Padawin, from her own viewpoint she should have tried to at least confirm that her investment had been lost before abandoning the rescue effort. Jeez what was Luminaras own master like?

I remember reading a book about Revan. He was recently redeemed and returned to the Jedi order. But the Jedi order did not want Revan to teach padawans. Even though he taught many apprentices. The consulers of the order did not like Revan, who mastered the dark and light sides of the force and saw his views and knowledge of the force as a danger of upsetting the dogmatic view of the Jedi. Any innovation is stifled in an environment like the jedi order.

I viewed Master Luminara as being very rigid. While not unbendable she, like her padawan had trouble adapting when things don't go to plan. Such as her fight with Ventress. A pure duel Luminara had the upper hand, but when Ventress started using underhanded tactics Luminara practically crumbled.

I'm curious why the plan was to send the padawans off instead of one master and one padawan to handle each part of the mission.

Your comments about Luminara and Bariss not being fit for war are spot on. That was the insidious genius of Sidious' plan. The Jedi, with the exception of a few, were not fit to lead troops in a war. Not only would this weaken the Republic resources, but it would necessarily put the Jedi in a spot that removed them from the peace process (which is where Luminara and Ki Adi Mundi belonged), while at the same time killing off scores of powerful Jedi Masters and Knights.

One of the best parts of the final season of Clone Wars was Yoda confronting his dark side. He realized the hubris of the Jedi’s dogmatic denial that they too had a dark side, and that only by recognizing one’s own dark side, but refusing to give it power, can one have mastery over it.

The one lesson the Jedi never learned. By having no attachment to anything or anyone, no one had an attachment to them. Something that can be seen in the Clone Wars episode where Cad Bane took several senators hostage. Even a senator like Amidala was mystified when Anakin gives her his lightsaber. This shows how detached the Jedi were, them also being seen as baby stealers. Of course it was so easy to turn the public against the Jedi. As for Luminara, if she is this detached, can she even claim to care about anything or anyone? The first moment her Padawan is MIA, she treats the situation like her Padawean is KIA. We have seen many droids that care more for their meatbags or even each other. As for fear leading to the Dark Side, take every reaction of the Jedi to the Sith appearing again and define their reaction as anything else but fear.

This is why i was ok with luke allowing marriage in the new jedi order in legends. Luke had learned love can be a force for good. Anakin had, in addition to having attachment, a tendency for possessiveness, which partly led to his turn. Luke thought that mutual support and respect would help temper these and for the most part he was right. Also, i think the old jedi order ignored "human" nature to their detriment.