The Tragic Consequences of Secret Social Transition w/Vernadette Broyles | Ep 170

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Lawyer here. Kindly provide an official link where I am able to donate to these incredible attorneys, putting their licenses on the line for this extremely contentious and unprecedented area of law. You all are paving the way for other attorneys to step up for what’s right without fear of grievances/ losing their license.

Stella mentioned "preemptive communication with school." I did this ("progressive" private school in Portland, Oregon). I wrote a letter specifically directing staff/faculty to not speak to my daughter (identifying trans-boy) about their gender. The school counselor immediately approached my child concluding their talk with the invitation of confidentiality. My child held this secret inside herself for weeks before she had an emotional breakdown and it spilled out of her. I was undermined by other adults I trusted. In my young 15 yo's mind, I betrayed her. The school has ripped apart the child/mother bond. I could go on. I am living a nightmare!

Sasha, my son, at 17, left my home after I asked him to look at the possible medical complications of hormones. He went to live with his dad and I was villainized by a psychiatrist and an entire medical team at children’s hospital. I am divorced and my son went to go live with his dad. I attempted to get an attorney to get my lawful custody back and no one would touch it. I have NEVER abused my child in any way, and even asked my son to please try social transition and see how it felt before putting substances into his body that can harm him. His father has even said that my son is lost despite now being on hormones. So, please don’t assume that all of these kids are abused, neglected, or otherwise not treated well by their parents if the parents are assumed to be the villain and are treated poorly!

From my experience, having such a talk (46:40) ["beware of adults trying to talk to you about your body and questioning your gender"] with your child at 14 is about 5 years too late. My biological daughter was 9-10 yo when she starting questioning her sex and then came out as a Trans boy (FtM) at 11. We had no idea of this phenomenon, and that the state (CA), schools, counselors, teachers, therapists and many doctors were already "Trans captured" and were actively pushing our child down the road of medicalized transition. We tried to resist, but the only option other than active affirmative medicalization was to "wait and see" under the idea that most children grow out of gender dysphoria as they proceed thru puberty (a reasonable idea). But now that she turned 18, she started HRT (Testosterone) she got thru Planned Parenthood and she has moved away from home and is currently 100% out of touch with us. My opinion of the "wait and see" approach is that it is a method of pacifying Trans critical parents until the kids turn 18 and are no longer under the influence of their parents when they can go ahead with the child's own plans to transition. All the therapy, school counseling, and socialization of our daughter as a male keep our kid brainwashed until they turn 18. Those forms of brainwashing coupled with Internet access (provided through the public schools reliance on computer based training w/o much "parental controls" to prevent them from accessing phornography and Trans captured social media sites and apps) where kids get informed of strategies like what to say to parents, therapists and doctors to insure they are treated as "Trans identified" kids and will receive the treatments they want, how to write letters (and what to say) when coming out to parents, and how to reassure parents as they approach 18 that they may be self-desisting from their Trans identity by dressing more girly, exposing more flesh (rather than wearing hoodies in the middle of hot CA summers), wearing lipstick and painting nails, and having a boy friend since 16 1/2 yo. My wife and I were betting that our child was desisting and would turn out "normal". However, 3 months after turning 18 we realized she was on Testosterone after her voice dropped, her body hair got thick and darker, and her facial hair became very noticeable. Shortly after being confronted about this, our daughter packed up and moved in with her boyfriend and their family who are much more Trans accepting than we are. Why does the State and Federal government support breaking up American families???

I could tell that this guest has a different worldview than I do, and so many times I was tempted to turn off the conversation just because it's easy to discount each other-- jeez I'm so glad that I didn't. So many EXCELLENT points came up here, and I SO appreciate what critical and careful listeners Stella and Sasha are. As a mom of 4 school-age kids, I have taken all these pointers to heart and they have helped. Thank you Vernadette, Stella, and Sasha.

Truely dystopian. I can’t believe I’m hearing this.

My daughter started with all this during the pandemic when all the schools were closed and kids couldn’t go anywhere so we all spent tons of time at home, bored. Of course, she was online way too much, and I was completely naive to what kind of pathology was creeping around in various social media platforms. I had all the parental blocks and tried to keep an eye on everything. It actually started on a discord server. I had never even heard of discord. Somehow I thought we were still operating in the LGB world of the 90’s and early 2000’s because I wasn’t chronically online. When I started going down the rabbit hole I was absolutely dumbfounded that kids were getting sucked into the complete mind warp of postmodern deconstructionism and queer theory. Not only that, but grown adults who were in the roles of teachers and therapists were actually going along with this like it was all perfectly rational and sane. I had no idea we were surrounded by so many gullible people. So, of course, since I’m calling out the naked emperor, I’m now the crazy bigot who’s irrational. Now she refuses to talk to me and moved in with her dad. We’re all living in the upside down. If I could change anything from back then it would be to remove internet access, but I’m wondering if she would have found it anyway through friends. Teenaged girls are going through some sort of group psychosis right now.

Thank you for your work in combating gender idiocy. I have a young nephew in public school. I don't want him exposed to this garbage.

The fact the school didn't tell the parents about the first -cide attempt (let alone the rest) is absolutely criminal.

In addition to pursuing gender transition the biggest mistake transitioners can make is alienating themselves from their loving family. There are bad family situations however for many they are essentially alienating themselves from an essential part of their life. Abandon a loving family one cuts off part of one's self. I have witnessed the loneliness and sadness of those who are alienated from their family. I am a former adult male to female transexual and am so thankful that my parents(now deceased) loved me unconditionally.

Where did politicians get the idea that pre-teen minors should be allowed to "self-id" gender identity? I would think a Judge Gorsuch would find the definition of "gender identity" totally circular (self-referential) and therefore meaningless.

Vernadette is brilliant and articulate. Thank you for highlighting her work. I will be donating to her efforts.

Stella and Sasha! Two of my most favourite people in the gender identity arena ❤ it’s always a good episode with you guys.

Yes because the answer is because the medics said you'd kill yourself if we stopped you and child services said they'd take you away from us 😢😭

Vernadette is a remarkable woman! People like her will go done in history as heroes against this pernicious ideology.

43:48 this bit funny. I got so into this subject my kids were so tired of hearing about it they tried to get me to promise to have a "trans free new year!" 😅 that was for me to stop talking about it. I'm not transphobic or a terf but am against the ideology and the grooming and the AGPs in girls restrooms. So I've found the solution is not caring about being called a transphobe or terf because ivthink those labels are throw around to try to censor people who are open minded but disagreeing with the ideolog

Vernadette is a goddess. I remember two years ago when she told me I had leadership qualities. I didn’t believe her, but now I see she was right. Women like her and Sasha and Stella model resilience, truth, and channeling passion into worthy action.

Another great episode. You are getting better and better.

16:48 it’s gross that schools are not considering how other kids are going to react to this. I don’t think she should have been bullied for “identifying” as a boy, but allowing her into male spaces and not considering that she really isn’t a boy and may be vulnerable to bullies, specifically those who know she’s obviously not a boy, is a set up for further bullying and abuse. These kids need to be protected from what they don’t know or understand and it’s a shame the school staff put her in that situation assuming that the people around her will accept her as a boy.