8 Speedruns That Have Been Completely Ruined

In UYA's case I think it's also worth mentioning the new trophy strats (you unlock a PSN trophy and press load in the pause menu, but the load screen lags for about 10 seconds and you can load a file in a place you're not usually supposed to). Back when they were first about a year ago pretty much everyone agreed it was a big improvement, since the only implementation in runs skipped a very boring 6 minute arena mission. Since then, there's been a bunch of research and now there's massive skips in almost every category (e.g. blackwater early mission 3) which sounds nice at first, but in the long run I think it makes the game worse. If you want to be competitive, you now have to close the game after every run past the first 9 minutes to reset the trophy using a homebrew tool, which makes doing attempts a lot less fun for me. We've been looking for a way to do these strats without trophies for a while now but haven't had any luck, and the new skips are way too fast to just not go for, so it's not a great situation. Anyway, if there's any PS3 homebrew developers reading this, there is a $50 bounty if someone can add a trophy lock/unlock feature to racman 😅

The Wind Waker is very much still alive, but people usually run other categories. The most competitive one is Any% No MSS which bans manual superswimming and puppet ganon skip, leading to a difficult but fun and doable run !

The irony of speedrunners optimising a game so intensely that they ruin it, kinda silly when you think about it

In skate 2, there is a category for completing every career challenge. The problem was ppl were running the category for years without realizing they didn't beat every career challenge. The game gives you a very linear set of challenges. And eventually no more challenges pop up meaning you beat every challenge. However there are 7 pools in the game you can find. The game only requires you to find 4. The remaining 3 were left out because it wasn't required to beat the game (any%). No where in the game was it incentivised to get the remaining 3. As it turns out, there were more career challenges if you found the remaining 3, invalidating 5 years worth of speed runs.

Pokemon Red is also fucked... You barely leave your room and warp straight to the Credits (Hall of Fame)

Fun fact related to the Majora's Mask ruin (which is called a 'buffer overflow'), that is how Insomniac used to patch RaC3's online mode. Because the PS2 didn't have a HDD by default, they couldn't just upload fixes or balance changes. Instead, they realised that the EULA that you download when you go to connect online, they would download more extra data that eventually overwrote a function pointer, allowing them to then 'patch' the game. I can't find the interview right now but it's such an incredible trick that they utilised a flaw to their advantage

Nice video Xem. Seeing this has reminded me that I once completely ruined a speedrun. Disney's Extreme Skate Adventure is basically Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 but with a Disney skin. The game was a short speedrun which overall was not too difficult for newcomers to get into. It didn't have many skips, exploits or glitches, it was just a clean run which needed strong routing and movement. One day however, I found a trick called menu storage. You can pause the game when a cutscene starts or when you pickup a collectable and it will allow you to skate around during cutscenes while the save menu was open. This would naturally let you skip cutscenes. Originally, it was a very niche trick was not very consistent or applicable but runners eventually found a way to make it consistent, allowing it to be used in a bunch of places. This started off by allowing the player to skip a few cutscenes, you could only really do it in certain places for specific missions but then I came in and caused chaos. I found that you could chain together menu storage across multiple missions which meant that on some levels, you could play the entire level with menu storage. This saved a whole bunch of time, allowing you to skip many cutscenes but the problem was that you only really had one chance to set it up (and if you missed it, you just missed it) and when you got it, you had to play the game while a big menu was overlaying the game and you had to make sure that menu stayed open while you played. It made the run faster but it significantly increased the barrier to entry and it turned veterans away from the game, killing any momentum it had. It was an arbitrary trick which made the game harder and more annoying to play and nobody wanted that. A no menu storage category was made later on which did breath some new life into the game but this admittedly happened way later than it should have and that was my fault. People simply didn't make too much noise about menu storage, everyone hated it in the background but they simply moved on with their lives rather than making a fuss about it (until years later at least). Nobody has ran the menu storage category since I pushed it while the no menu storage run has gotten to a point where the run is shorter than the current menu storage record. And that is the story on how I ruined a speedrun. Out of the many games I have speedran, that was the most detrimental contribution I had made to a run. It was a shame because it is a neat little game and the trick was going to be found eventually but it is still something I feel guilty about. These things just eventually happen to some runs and they are more or less inevitable but it does hurt when you are the one that finds these things and it has a negative impact on the community.

RNG is always the largest issue with speedruns. The moment the fastest time is only available via RNG the run becomes an awful time for everyone.

Shift has a stranglehold on BfBB is probably the biggest understatement of this video when you consider some of the crazy stuff he helped discover in that game.

Other games: Has insanely difficult mechanics that can make a run unbearable to play or has insane glitches that makes runs completely boring or too difficult to be enjoyed. DK64: Comically invalidates 9 speedrun categories because of a single missed collectible.

The fact that Paper Mario 64 was not mentioned is a crime. The fact that you have to play Ocarina of Time for the majority of time in order to get a world record will always be funny to me.

Dang the OoT part really hit home. I really wish people knew more about categories like MST (Medallions, Stones & Trials), as well as GSR (Ganondorf Source Requirement). GSR is basically a No Major Glitches category that’s been around for a long time, and bans RBA, GIM, wrong warps, and SRM. There is so much variety and community activity like Bingo and DannyB’s OoT Master Series task competitions that unfortunately don’t get much appreciation. I’m very impressed with the research on the OoT part, and I hope people take the time to check out some of the more competitive categories!

I think the strongest case for being truly ruined is OoT. There comes a stage where the game is so optimized that you're barely even playing it anymore, so what's even the point? By then, it's practically what philosophers would call a "solved game".

As a semi casual Mario Sunshine speedrunner, the game is incredibly fun to practice and speedrun! The key is to simply have reasonable goals instead of trying to get crazy perfect runs. Probably true for many other games.

16:30 "You wouldn't expect it from a game made for children" the irony of all the games covered are games made for children (and 99.9% of the runners playing them played them when they were kids) 😂

27:45 No, the bad news of this route isn't the trades. The trades were only a problem before bastions when you would mine gold ore. This reached it's peak with Korbanoes' sub 15, where he got 12 pearls off of 5 gold if I recall correctly. The bastion actually almost completely obsoleted this, because of the "shit load of gold" you mentioned earlier. There's enough piglins trading and gold to be traded you almost always could exit a bastion with more than enough resources. This rng factor only started coming back with calculated travel, but we aren't there yet. The rng of this category at the time was getting a good nether enter with (ideally) an iron pickaxe, and then actually getting a bastion. There was fortress first world record, but it got to the point where you needed the safety net of fire resistance and the mobility from pearls to get a top level time, so the rng mostly came from getting both a bastion and a fortress close enough to your enter portal, and then the last rng hurdle back then was getting an exit portal near the stronghold.

That DK64 one is nuts. That's like discovering there was a 121st star in Mario 64 or something like that.

4:55 You don't open the chest, that would stop the glitch By going in front of a chest with GIM you manipulate what item you will get when resurfacing from water

over a decade of speedrunning a game really does take a lot out of you if u ever catch SHiFT streams cuz he looks always miserable doing it

ZFG quit any% a long time ago, he mostly ran other categories with 100% being the main one. Only reason he started pumping randomizers was because a couple runners were trying to work out a potential new route for 100% and it was taking a long time so he decided to try to get good at randomizers while waiting since he was decently interested in it with how many tricks and glitches can be used in randos that aren't viable or worthwhile to use in current speedruns. He still plans on going back to 100% at some point. Also missed a chance to showcase how bad memory overload barrier skip in WW was at the start. It saved time overall but there were many spots in the run where the runner would just sit spamming the bow while counting to try and reach close to the amount needed to unload the barrier and finish it off in the castle.