Artificial Super Wisdom and Nebulocracy - How MORAL GRAPHS can change the world!

I love the fact that the YouTube AI decided to add a climate change fact check blurb to a video that isn't about climate change.

David hands down has the best channel on A.i. and the best break down and thought process and I enjoy the optimistic approach

This is a fascinating concept. Using moral graphs and AI to achieve higher consensus and wisdom in governance is quite revolutionary. It raises crucial questions about the future of democracy and how we can balance efficiency, representation, and ethical decision-making. Also, ensuring every life, whether a baby or an adult, is valued in this system could lead to more compassionate and inclusive policies; I look forward to seeing how this develops!

I agree that many things need to change how government, etc. is run, as it is clearly hobbled by the unwise. An individual person may be wise, but collectively, people are not, so I think the notion of "collective wisdom" is fundamentally flawed. The outcome of such a "collective wisdom" is more likely to be a "tyranny by the masses." I'm not interested in someone else or a group of people forcing me to live a certain way they think is wise, particularly if I don't have the power to force them to live the way I think is wise. There is a significant potential for loss of freedom and individuality. Making mistakes is an important step along the long path to wisdom. Removing the important step of mistakes leads to unconscious automatons, not wisdom. When I was very young, I saw the value in being wise, and wondered how I could become wise. The steps that have most productive are learning how to be objective, even when it's not personally beneficial. Learn as much as possible. Develop the skills to be able to identify intelligent and wise people, and to know the difference. Associate with the wise. Be as independent as practical. Learn from both failure and success, and be prepared for both. Many truisms are false. Some unpopular views may be profoundly true. Learn to be your own best "sounding board." People have come up with many convincing arguments that have later proved to be wrong. Many so called "experts" are anything but that. It is your life to lead, so be careful with your choices, as you will ultimately bear the consequences. Good luck.

I suspect that super wisdom is going to be indistinguishable from super carisma. It does sounds like a D&D joke, but actually if the AI can convince us of something, can convince us to its specific path to wisdom, we may be unable to resist its convincing arguments.

Link to the thing? 12:39

I like the following analogy: - Intelligence is knowing that tomatoes are fruits, while wisdom is knowing that you should never make a fruit salad with tomatoes. :D

11:56 At “Example Value Card”, this slide, the slide says link to customized ChatGPT is in description but I see no link in the description.

4:17 According to a Buddhist definition, the difference between intelligence and wisdom is the difference between realizing relative truths and realizing ultimate truth, which underlies or is the context for all relative truths.

a truly intelligent and wise AI would quickly realize that government is stupid and wrong and certainly not the answer

where is the link?

Ok. What’s wisdom? Because I tend to find people employ morals to justify their behaviour, or collectively, to justify enforcing conformity. This technology will be used to enforce that conformity. The organization defines the morals of ‘I am big and you must conform’ and set the AI to wisely find and deal with aberrants directly or indirectly. I can see it is intended kindly. But its extrapolation could be horrific. Best-case you find yourself being rejected from jobs, first on the redundancy list etc. Worst case, you are disappeared.

All these technologies emerging represent opportunities to coordinate humanity in a decentralized way. We don't need a government in the future.

My first thought was the number of multinationals and corporations holding governments to ransom that if certain things are implemented, they they disappear to a more beneficial jurisdiction.

Really good overview of the ideas - thanks for posting. Possibly one of the most important topics of our time - need more public discussion about ways of improving engagement with politics. My original thought on this was to have additional representatives for areas of interest in addition to local representatives so this would tie up your ideas of experts and also dealing with values. We could proportion our vote across those representatives according to what is important to us - locality, environment, defense, AI etc. So we vote in a person who best represents an area of expertise to that representative position.

Funnily enough, this sounds a lot like Managed Democracy from Helldivers 2. In that game people vote on issues not politicians and AI decides who you voted for. It's implied that the system is rigged but fundamentally it's similar to your idea. There is also the problem that people can be manipulated and their values change. AI will make manipulation easier too.

Oh boy, this could go south so fast. At first, I was thinking about how would I elect my avatar. You have to ask it questions about its policies, right? Well, it's using this wisdom graph to rationalize its policy decisions. Basically, what we are creating is a moloch that can rationalize any decision better than any human. I'm sorry Dave, but I think this is more dangerous than a persuasion bot.

I appreciate your work, David.

"especially when you're a weirdo like me and all of us in this audience" - never felt so seen

Conversations like this, especially the section on nebulocracy, make me beyond certain that decentralized governance and nothing short of that will fix the recurring political nightmare humanity has. Maybe 3 in any 10 people are capable of even following this conversation well enough to understand why "an expression and pooling of values" is better in every way than "voting for a person" - we can pretend that's not the case but honestly I feel like I'm being generous with that number. Most people want American Idol. You cannot, nor will you ever be able to, convince the general public to act in its best interest. The crowd is not able to discover what is in its best interest because there's too much pollution and signal noise, and too many incentives for bad behavior. The solution is absolute, averaged authority, and authoritative decentralization is the best and safest way to get there.