Sig finally loses in court

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Published 2024-06-23

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  • @pointman73
    After carrying a P320 at work and having a personal one, shooting thousands of rounds a year through both, they miraculously only fire when the trigger is pulled.
  • The biggest issue I have now is that they are pointing the finger at Safariland and saying that their holsters are the problem and that you should go with Alien Gear for a holster. How do I know this? The Sig LE rep stated it to me in my office when trying to sell me the 320. Really? Instead of admitting there's a problem with your product, they point the finger at the holster maker! They'll just keep getting sued and try to settle these suits out of court by getting people to sign non-disclosures attached to checks to keep them quiet.
  • @BA-oy9uo
    Doesn't seem like the 320 was a well engineered pistol. It was originally a hammer fired design (P250) that nobody liked and was morphed into a striker gun. p365 was designed from the ground up to be what it is. The article claims lack of a trigger safety is a dangerous/defective feature but the p365 doesn't have one and I bet you more folks carry some form of 365 versus the p320. Where are all the p365 lawsuits? something isn't right here.
  • @Yoda63
    If Sig really did fix the problem they can’t say so or they’d be admitting there was a design flaw. Tough situation.
  • @YeOldeHobo
    Preponderance of the evidence is the burden the plaintiff had to meet for his civil jury trial. Meaning, the jury found that his evidence showed, more likely than not, that Sig’s negligent design of the P320 caused it to go off without him pulling the trigger. Their decision as a federal civil jury would likely have to been unanimous. So, 12 people found that the guy’s evidence showed Sig was at fault by 51%. Without attending the trial or talking to the jurors afterwards, it’s hard to gauge how potent his case was aside from the holster and the gun failing to cycle described in the complaint, but I would feel warm under the collar if I was Sig’s insurance carrier. Sig will start motions for the court to set aside the verdict or to order a new trial next. After that, an appeal could come down the pipeline. But, we shall see how much they puff out their chest and keep saying “No one has proven it!”
  • Everyone please sell your totally unsafe Sig P-320’s. Especially if you have a P-320 AXG Legion. It is really dangerous. I will rehome this dangerous weapon for you.
  • I never thought the "lighter" trigger bow would solve the problem. When I saw someone hit the back of the slide with a rubber mallet, while holding the gun horizontal, and the gun would detonate the primer in an empty case, to me, it seemed like it had to be more. The sear failed at that point and the firing pin block also couldn't have been functioning correctly. It was a crap gun when it was called the 250 and it's still a crap gun after they threw a striker in it. Heck, it seems like it's actually a worse gun now.
  • Had a 320 when they first came out, sold it & NEVER looked back!
  • @piouswhale
    A friend of mine had his go off in his holster and hit his knife, bullet skipped off the knife and left a big bruise. If you search "Gunghis P320" you will find his video called "my p320 tried to shoot me". I personally know the guy so its kind of close to home. 100% Sig fixed whatever the problem was. But if there was any internal communications about this, they would have been subpoenaed/included in Discovery during the trial. I have not read the case of anything like that, though.
  • @ClintTorres
    I'm keenly interested in this subject due to the fact that I use a P320 X5 as my primary competition pistol in USPSA. It is of recent manufacture (2023). I have holstered a cocked pistol hundreds of times without the striker dropping unintentionally. I am aware of the possible issue and ALWAYS kick my hip out when holstering and will continue to do so with any pistol when holstering. My aerospace engineer Dad always warned me to steer clear of new model autos and I feel it's the same with newly designed anything. Look at the issues the Hudson and DD H9 have had. It takes time to refine them and it's unfortunate that early adopters end up as beta testers because the companies want to see a ROI sooner rather than later. If you don't wish to roll the dice, don't be an early adopter. At least now we have the internet and are able to educate ourselves. In the old days, you'd just hear anecdotes and were never really able to corroborate the rumors. For myself, I feel like the number of incidents with respect to the number of P320s out in the market make the probability of me, personally, having the issue to be extremely low but it still possibly exists and is worth being mindful of. Every one of these incidents involves a holster and that instructs me on when I need to exercise caution. Every consumer must consider their own risk tolerance. For some, they've abandoned the platform and that's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. There's plenty of other options out there. For me the X5 has the right mix of features to make it a compelling choice despite the risks. Plenty of people have driven Pintos and Telsas that did not meet their demise in a conflagration although is was possible that they could have.
  • @Pje3ski
    I like my 365, but won’t buy a 320. They should come out and admit what the problem was.
  • Why the SIG hate ? The P365 is a great gun. Hell you dont need all 10 toes anyway.
  • @AZbone
    The gun went off when something hit the bang switch. It didn’t go off by itself.
  • @wompy-ru
    Should've been tipped off after seeing the P365 have a different internal design, never had a problem with my 320 but could never trust it fully, still carried it normally but glad I got rid of it, was already hard enough selling but now....
  • @tomwilson1006
    And now there’s video evidence of a cop’s Sig going off in the holster while he was bending over in Montville, CT. I wonder if that was mentioned in this case?
  • @wcw2793
    I've never had to worry about any of my Glocks doing this.
  • @TUCOtheratt
    All that is needed to win a ridiculous lawsuit is a stupid jury. No shortage of those these days.
  • @peerlessfief
    According to the verdict form the gun was without a tabbed trigger and didn't include a warning. This is apparently enough.