Zack Snyder's "Deconstruction" of Batman

Batman killing is dumb in an adaptation where the really bad rogues are still alive.

Batman not killing is what’s makes him so interesting. It’s interesting to see how far a villain can push Batman no killing rule such as in BTAS episode “The Underdwellers” where he becomes extremely tempted to kill the Sewer King or The Killing Joke where it’s implied that he kills the Joker and it also makes Red Hood more interesting because he was trained raised by Batman but he doesn’t honor the no killing rule because while Batman wants to redeem his villains Red Hood wants to prevent innocent people from ending up in the same situation the Joker put him in.

the perfect counterargument I heard about his opinion: "Put Batman in a situation that he must kill" what he do to get out of that situation?! "he kills" and that's terrible writing 101 ladies and gentlemen.

Speaking of finesse, I also dislike when I see Batman punching people in the face until they’re unconscious and fall to the ground. It just breaks my immersion because that totally has the capacity to kill someone and Batman just does it anyway. I would much prefer to see him incapacitate people by breaking their limbs and such, as it’s more realistic and also stylish. I’ve just always thought a shot of Batman catching someone he’s rendered unconscious and lowering them to the ground would look super cool and also kinda scary. Idk. The Arkham games specifically is what made me have an issue with this in general. Realistically he’s killing like 99% of the people he does all his fucking combos to its absurd

Zack Snyder and Sweet Baby Inc would get along well they both love disrespecting and ruining Batman's character.

Besides, the idea of Batman killing is a running theme in his conflicts with the joker people want him to do it, and he won’t.

"You are protecting your god" between this and all those jesus images in man of steel it's not hard to see why this universe failed so miserably.

Most of Zack Snyder's films having nice cinematography was due to Larry Fong. Without Fon, Snyder's movies (like Army of the Dead) look like crap.

The idea that Batman is no better than the villains that he kills when he kills them is a little Chris idea that’s not rude. In reality we all know that’s not the case he saves lives they take it, but I didn’t create the character so

Where I disagree is Batman should be put in a situation or killing, is an option because there’s that temptation for him to do it, only for him to then resist afterwards. Much like under the red hood. That makes for some of the best storytelling.

I 100% percent agree with you.

Why most people really can't get over about this? Geez...

zack snyder a good director? have you seen rebel moon or the second rebel moon? or sucker punch?

He beats criminals let’s not act like they don’t have it coming.

Well, keep in mind that Batman not killing is a recent phenomenon. He didn’t kill back in the day when I was first conceptualized, so it’s really not that much out of character.

No, he doesn’t have to save his villains I think that’s a good middle ground their life is their own responsibility.

Why would a god deal with petty human squabbles? Well, we pray so their is your answer.

I beg to differ from you because the film itself does both show but explain why that Batman kills and in such a reckless way; "The fear, rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel." "People are living in fear..." "Breath! This smell is fear! You aren't brave: men are brave." He didn't kill because it was cool but because he was desperate. At the very beginning of the movie he was put in an impossible situation never seen before (by him at least) where everyone he's lived and worked with were being killed with the Metropolis and the whole world being torn apart altogether. He wasn't merely afraid: he was desperate! And those who stood in his way were mere obstacles. And that was one of the best and interesting parts of how the movie showed an interesting contradiction: an inhumane man against a humane alien. However I agree that he wasn't portrayed questioning his actions after Superman's death when he realized he's failed with his own beliefs and that would be an interesting way to bring him back to the Batman we know.

The question you should be asking is: Why does the movie think its OK for batman to kill people? The short answer is the movie doesn't. Zach Snyder is putting Batman ideals to the test (your clip is asking that very question) like superman killing zad in Man of Steel. Snyder isn't a fan arbitrary rules. Rules for super heroes in a REAL world context are not bullet poof and he exploring them. The other question you should be asking is "Should people like Batman?" Ex:(in BvS - Alford and Bruce talking over the newspaper "Bat brand of justice!") so with that context and the Batman lore according to Bruce Wayne is Batman needs to be feared not Idolized. Batman isn't a Hero HES A Threat. He want to get rid of crime by force, to negotiate with crime with the only language it understands. In order to send that message and to become so feared he gonna have to hospitalize everyone that he sets his eyes on, and This also happens to be the only way a REAL life Batman would be able to put down a whole room of bad guys and make them stay down by making it physically impossible to get back up. The first issues of Batman are of him killing people with guns and other methods; his "CODE" doesn't come till like the sixties, because of the comic code authorities put a cap on the murdering. Then 30 years of Batman being kid friendly. That has to be over come and those thoughts have to be thrown out. But you would need to ask the question in a real world setting. What kind of person would a REAL Batman have to be? That part of the reason why this Batman is so thug-ish its keeping in line sprit of what Batman is. Which comes from Frank Miller himself. What also comes from Frank is Batman's care free attitude in indirectly killing of bad guys. If the Bad guys are associating with a thing that happens to blow up that not on him. So about the last part of the clip I think that irrelevant, the context is still there. Batman broke his code with using and killing a guy with a gun. Later in that same comic he swears off guns like he didn't just get done using one. And at the end of the comic he blames Jokers murders on his own inability to end the joker he then kills the Joker. To me the Dark knight is a commentary on how Batman lives in the minds of readers who still believe that Batman can BEAT people to a pulp every night and get away with it without killing anybody. without getting sick of putting away bad guys like joker away night after night and have the joker escape over and over to kill and hurt innocent people. His legend and his RULES of Batman are as much of a denial as the Jokers impossible suicide. This is the idea that Zack is Going for. that Batman's rationalization process that he goes though to convince himself of its not his problem if a guy gets blown up by his own grenade. Frank said "that his action are a results of his character being as old as his cranky legend."

He makes pretty pictures but Snyder is TERRIBLE with story.