Drinker's Chasers - Our Thoughts On Echo

I always like to point out Sarah Connor's escape from the hospital in T2 as a fairly believable case of a small woman taking on a large man. 1. He was an orderly, not a trained fighter. 2. She took him by surprise by pretending to be drugged 3. She acted quickly 4. She went for the legs to get him off his feet 5. She armed herself with his baton to take him out. There was nothing physics defying. It took away his physical advantages and ended things quickly.

I'm a paramedic. I've attended patients in a lot of Indian reserves. The "majority diabetic" tribal population is probably (and unfortunately) the most authentic part of the show.

I love how even the bad guys took the time to learn sign language to kick a deaf womans a$$- they’re very considerate and truly reflect the gangsters of our time.

We're about 1 bad week from seeing Timmy from Southpark mount up on a jet-powered wheelchair to fight microaggressions.

With regard to the slow fight scenes, I am reminded of the VERY intentional slowness of a fight scene in Get Smart. It was hilarious. It was especially hilarious because the actors moved in slow-mo, not the camera. And they made it blatantly obvious. Fantastically funny, but it was SUPPOSED TO BE.

That fact there are so called marvel fans who think this is just as good Netflix’s daredevil is just sad. Just proof that some people will watch literally anything on tv.

Az is absolutely right. The editing in the show is terrible. The fade in fade out’s scene transitions were killing me. I kept thinking the show was about to go to commercial break.

Wait... Echo in the comics is deaf, not an amputee. Her power is she has photographic reflexes (hence 'Echo'), which would be nigh impossible one-legged. Do the 'writers' think giving her double disabilities on top of being a minority female sends her to the top of the progressive stack?

Drinker: “We have all watched Echo.” Me: “You have my deepest sympathies.”

I felt what made black widow work so well as a female fighter is just how flexible, agile, and skilled she was/was portrayed, using techniques reminiscent of Taichung and kravmaga to use the weight and power of her opponents against them. She gave off the impression that despite the clear strength gap of her fighting against a mob of men much bigger and stronger then her that even put in that situation I would not only expect her to win, but I BELIEVED she could win and UNDERSTAND HOW she won. The fact that they portrayed this deaf, one legged tiny woman as a fucking strength-sentric brawler of all things without any real super strength powers is baffling. Like she can copy fighting techniques… so what? Your mostly going up against goons and shit who at most are gonna know some boxing. You gonna copy there boxing and out box the 200 pound 6,2 wall of muscle?

Since she's totally deaf, she can easily be defeated by just turning off the lights or hitting her in the face with a high lumen flashlight, thus rendering her blind and deaf and incapable of fighting back or defending herself.

The dumb thing is, If they had left Echo's original power set, Hired someone who could actually act, Hired a fight choreographer who had a pulse, Backed off focusing on the heritage and instead focusing on how Echo felt after leaving Kingpin's employ and trying to put her life back together, Left Kingpin as a badass violent actual threat instead of huge gaping vagina. This might have possibly been a decent show. But no. Disney gonna Disney.

Brings me back to the good memory of kingsman's "gazelle" that's a badass amputee if there ever was one

I haven't watched the show, but I feel like the reason they never target her fake leg (and why signers are everywhere, if I'm understanding correctly) is because the show is afraid to "offend" or come of as "insensitive". But instead it just ruins believability because no one looking to physocally hurt you is going to give a crap about speaking your language. And they absolutely are going to go after the glaring 'weak point' that is a fake leg.

Per: the fighting: this is why in pro wrestling, it is well known that you need BOTH people in a match to be talented and capable so that neither one has to carry the match for the other.

Given up on Disney plus, but they should have had an end credit where Rocket sneaks in and steals her leg 😂

Yes Charlie wasn’t a great fighter in season 1 of daredevil but he was so committed to doing all the fights that he practiced so much that eventually he was doing most of the badass in season 2

I'm as excited for Echo as I am for Abby in TLoS season 2

Critical Drinker and Bros: "Do you seriously believe your own hype that much?" Echo with sign language: "I AM THE HYPE!"

I feel like the cousin should have been the one to get the ancestral powers. They're still a dumb and stereotypical but she's one of the only actually good people in the family. She's a fire fighter, she constantly tried to reach out to Maya when she moved to New York. Meanwhile Maya has killed people at Fisk's command and is the reason her childhood home was even under threat.