Does Dr. Stephen C. Meyer Have Evidence for Intelligent Design? (345)

Whose arguments more persuasive, Professor Dave, or Stephen C. Meyer? Can you be devoutly religious and also a real scientist?

What blows my mind is we live in a time where these conversations are available to the public and not behind the doors academia. Think about that we are lucky to even have these conversations.

Dr. Keating is the prime example that you don't need to resort to fallacies to counter-argue a position. This guy is the most fair, good faith, respectful, but combative individual out of the whole bunch. It's a pleasure to see this discussion.

I think of myself as a smart guy, smarter than anyone around me. But then I listen to this podcast and it reminded how really smart some people are. I appreciate Dr. Keating for inviting Dr. Meyer on this episode. I have always suspected there is a higher power and listening to Dr. Meyer gives me additional confidence to think I might be right.

It's nice to hear an intelligent conversation

One of if not the best episode. Watching it a second time

Steven meyer is frighteningly smart. And good at this. Love his personality.

as an agnostic I am glad we give a voice to alternate ideeas outside mainstream science. Let the debate go on. Don't silence ideas.

I absolutely loved this conversation Dr. Keating. Thank you stimulating our minds with these great discussions.

When a program gets to a place where people complain about “platforming” this, that, or whom you know you have arrived as a serious public intellectual. Well done.

Many thanks. It's privilege to be able to listen to such discussions.

Dr Meyer is amazing!

In answer to Brian’s questions as to how God manifests differences in the universe, this is answered easily by an analogy. How does a non-pixilated computer engineer, who isn’t digital in nature, create a video game universe of digital laws and codes and rules with general order?” By using the physical reality and manipulation of the physical with willful, rational intent to form the digital world. God’s being is as different if not more different than ours than the engineer’s being is different to Mario and Luigi’s. Mario and Luigi can argue over whether Nintendo exists and one may say there is no “digital evidence” for Nintendo being this company with non-digital beings with minds that made their world. Asking for digital information is the wrong demand just as asking for scientific evidence for God is the wrong question. We wouldn’t have hieroglyphics without intelligent minds, and we wouldn’t have the information we have in biology without some kind of mind as creator. Also answers the miracle question as cheat codes are easily added to video games without destroying the game. Momentary suspensions of the rules don’t necessarily break the universe.

Happy birthday Dr. Keating. Keep doing your thing

Even Christopher Hitchens considered the fine tuning argument the best argument for the existence of god he had encountered. I consider those who outright dismiss what Dr Meyer says without even listening to he has to say to be just as dogmatic as the most religious fundamentalists out there.

I really enjoyed the discussion. Applaud both men for stepping out of comfort zones.

Ive been listening and reading Dr Meyers work for years. Thank you for giving this man a chance to speak. Its a little BS how most including yourself didny have him on until after his Rogan appearance, even after saying you've studied his work for years. Regardless thank you because he has a lot of researchers who still attack his religious beliefs and not his work.

It's literal 2023, on a planet that's billions of years old, yet we are still having debates about an invisible space wizard who created himself and everything else out of nothing. Wtf?!

Two points here: 1. Shouldn't all of us be concerned about statements like "the choice is between God and science or no God and no science"? And 2. Meyer sidestepped the final question ("is Intelligent Design proof of a Judeo-Christian God?") with the light-footedness of a veteran politician.

It's so refreshing to hear a discussion like this between respectable and respectful, brilliant scientists. There's so much to learn not just about the subjects they're discussing, but about how to treat people we don't always agree with. Great lessons in human behavior, not just scientific principles! Thanks guys!